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Tales
From the T-Room
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Email Interview with Lee Pressman and Grant Cathro
Lee's
Response
Grant's Response
Well,
what can I say? What a nice pair of blokes! Approachable, good humoured,
and, above all, honest! I am so grateful to them both for being
so supportive of this, my humble T-Room, and I really value their
input.
I got in touch with Lee and Grant a few days ago now, because I
thought it would be really interesting to have an insight into the
process by which T-Bag was devised and produced. I expected nothing
like the kind of support I got from both of them. Both offered to
help with the T-Room in whatever way they possibly could and both
read the comments that you have left in the Guestbook and were very
touched by your response. I cannot begin to express my gratitude
to them both for taking the time to answer the questionnaire that
I sent to them.
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Lee's
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| Q. |
Where
did the idea behind the T-Bag series come from? What was the
first spark of inspiration? |
| A. |
The
idea for the series started when the head of children's television
at Thames, Marjorie Sigley, decided that she wanted to make
a series of "educational" shows about words and
letters of the alphabet. The first of the shows was "Words
words words", a mishmash of cobbled together sketches,
songs and poems. I had been writing BBC's "Play Away"
(a far superior light entertainment fest), and Thames TV blatantly
asked me whether I had any unused stuff in my bottom drawer
that I could contribute to "Words" since they were
a tad short on material. Little did I know that many other
writers were being asked the very same question... and one
of them was Grant Cathro. And that's where we met.After that
short-lived series, Marjorie asked me to come up with an idea
that would feature letters of the alphabet this time. I pitched
something which I believe was called "Dotty in Dictionaria"
- a story about a young girl who travels across a board game
where every square features a different letter of the alphabet.
There were various suggestions for adventures such as "Revenge
of the Killer B" on the 'B' square, etc. and so on.When
I was given the go ahead to develop the series (at very short
notice), I contacted Grant and asked if he wanted to help
write it.
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| Q. |
How
did the character of T-Bag develop from the very first idea
to when she finally appeared on screen? |
| A. |
Right
from the very beginning there was always a character called
T-Bag living in the 'T' square. And before the birth of T-Shirt,
one early idea paired her up with a puppet called Alfie Bat.
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| Q. |
How
long did each series take to write? Did you collaborate on
every episode, or did you write some and Grant write others?
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| A. |
I
can't remember exactly how long each series took to write
- maybe six to ten weeks, not sure. Under pressure, we often
had to crank out two episodes per week. For the first six
years, I think we wrote all of the episodes together. After
that, we often planned out a whole series then maybe wrote
six together and two each separately. Towards the end, we
were probably writing two together and four each separately.
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| Q. |
Where
was T-Bag filmed? How were the sets arranged (i.e. were they
all constructed at once ready for filming, or was the series
filmed in sections, e.g. the T-Room scenes filmed together
before dismantling it for the next set to be constructed and
filmed)? |
| A. |
Every
episode was filmed at Thames TV Studios at Teddington Lock,
mostly in the unbelievably tiny studio 3 (while next door
they were filming Benny Hill). Towards the end they started
letting us into the big boys studio. At the beginning, the
rules were very rigid. We were only allowed three sets per
episode (and one of them was the T-Room). So if we were doing
say an Egyptian story, we would have the outside of the pyramid,
inside the pyramid, and the T-Room scenes would always be
recorded last. That was in case we overran - then the following
week, we would be able to catch up the missing T-Room scenes
at the end. By then, of course, we could have moved on to
a cowboy story, and the pyramid set would have been scrapped
already. Sometimes, by the end of a run, the poor actors would
be recording missed T-Room scenes from half a dozen different
shows.
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| Q. |
Whilst
filming was taking place, did you have much say in the process,
delivery of lines, etc., or was this completely at the discretion
of the director and performers? Were you pleased with the
finished series? |
| A. |
Alas
Grant and I were young and without much clout. We didn't really
hit it off with the original director, and, and without any
consultation, many changes were crudely made to our scripts
during the early series. Ultimately we were more often or
not disappointed with the results because most people working
on the show knew how much better it could have been.
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| Q. |
Was
the series initially intended to be a trilogy? I am referring
to Debbie's line in "Bounces Back", when she states
that T-Bag is gone for good and won't "bother any of
us ever again". |
| A. |
Nobody
knew how long the show would last at the beginning. Because
the ratings were so phenomenal, it just kept getting recommissioned.
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| Q. |
Why
did Elizabeth Estensen leave the series? Did she feel that
it was time for a change? Did you feel that it was time for
a change? Or was she written out so dramatically in "Revenge
of the T-Set" that it would have been impossible for
her to return? |
| A. |
Liz
Estensen was, and still is the most wonderful actress (see
how we used her again as Daphne Fawkes-Bentley in Mike &
Angelo). We loved working with her and never wanted her to
go. But the working environment became so troubled and uncomfortable
that after five years she chose to leave.
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| Q. |
If
Tallulah or Tabatha were about today, what would they be doing
(apart from the obvious career choice for mad, power-crazed
individuals who think they rule the Universe - traffic wardens)?
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| A. |
Interesting
that you should ask me this. In front of me I have an outline
entitled "T-Bag (the series that was never made)".
It gives an indication of what might have been: It's
finally happened; T-Shirt has broken free from the evil
clutches of T-Bag. Now he's leading a normal life as a teenager
in a small suburban town, and he's got a nice little earner
on the go - "Tommy's" - a teashop-cum-cafe. It's
a guaranteed money spinner for T-Shirt, the best tea maker
in the land.
The
place is such a success that T-Shirt advertises for staff.
Enter a straggly old bag lady pushing a supermarket trolley
seeking work.
It's
some time before he recognises her. Can this sad, pathetic
creature really be T-Bag, the one-time omnipowerful high
priestess of the T-Set? It's true. Down on her uppers, T-Bag
sees the fateful encounter as her one last chance to seize
her former glory. T-Shirt alone knows the teamaking secrets
that can restore her magical powers. So it is that she worms
her way into T-Shirt's employ and in no time at all, has
him wrapped around her little finger.
Her
megalomania knows no bounds. She forces T-Shirt to build
her a time machine so that she can seek out a batch of the
now extinct magical tealeaves. But the best laid plans...
In
search of her goal, T-Bag launches the whole of "Tommy's"
into space. No longer doomed to the provincial back-waters,
the cafe-cum-spaceship whisks the duo off, destined for
a weird and wonderful journey through history. This wild
ten part adventure story features the return of Liz Estensen
who created the role of T-Bag so successfully in the first
five series.
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| Q. |
Finally,
what projects do you have in the pipeline at the moment? |
| A. |
Not
a lot, actually. I helped to create the series "STARStreet"
and I'm writing a few more episodes of that. The series I'd
had great hopes for, "Polterguests", failed to get
recommissioned after just eight episodes. Last year, I sold
two options for new shows - the first is called "Marooned"
and the second "The Wild Side". I don't know if
they'd ever get made. My favourite non-commissioned series
of mine is an X-Files type kids show called "Weird Stuff".
I was asked by Carlton to write the first episode - "Night
of the Living Hair", but so far it hasn't been taken
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Grant's
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| Q. |
Where
did the idea behind the T-Bag series come from? What was the
first spark of inspiration? |
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Lee
and I first met in a South London rehearsal room, where five
frantic grinning actors were hurriedly trying to learn their
parts in comedy sketches which Lee and I had been commissioned
to write independently. The show was called "Words, Words,
Words" (or as it became affectionately known, "Worst,
Worst, Worst"), the brainchild of Marjorie Sigley, Head
of Children's Programmes at Thames TV. She was trying to disguise
education-based material as pure light entertainment, which
seemed quite an interesting challenge. Other writers were
involved too, but somehow Lee and I became the main contributors
and so we began seeing a lot of each other's work at the following
readthroughs. I thought Lee's stuff was annoyingly good, and
he thought my stuff was irritatingly splendid, so when Lee
was later given the go-ahead to develop a comedy-drama which
shared similar aspirations to the one-off "Words"
series, he rang and asked if I would like to collaborate.
Up until this time I had trained and worked mostly as an actor
(Glasgow Citizens Theatre, Lyric Hammersmith, Royal Shakespeare
Company) but because I also loved writing (and had a tax bill
to pay) I immediately said "certainly".
It
was Lee's idea to set the drama inside an alphabet-based
board game; each letter would suggest a character and a
story ... for instance, T-Bag would be the main character
on the T-Square. A little girl would become the main protagonist
who must work her way round the board, overcoming obstacles
of every sort but finally winning the game and emerging
triumphant.
Our
very first pass at the idea was incredibly grandiose, involving
all sorts of impossible special effects and fantastic landscapes.
Draft One was greeted with a resounding scowl, and a new
objective was added to the original remit: keep it cheap,
lads. So, thinking inexpensive, Lee and I began again. And
again. And again. By now, the pressure of time was impacting
on everyone, so the hard-pressed director made it plain
to us exactly what he reckoned he could and couldn't achieve,
given the time and the budget, and pretty much dictated
half of Episode One to us! Overnight we had gone from being
screenwriters to shorthand typists! As relative newcomers
to television, we had no real say at this stage, and we
found our (admittedly over-enthusiastic) efforts on Series
One to be massively and disappointingly diminished.
There
was one mad final rewrite at an even later stage when one
of the producers had the idea of peppering the character
dialogue with alliterations appropriate to the "square"
on which they appeared. Cue: several singularly unsayable
sentences. We were never at home with this, finding it stultifying,
strained and stonking-well stilted. Still, there were things
about Series One which worked really well. We were especially
heartened by the rapport which quickly developed between
Elizabeth Estensen and John Hasler as T-Bag and T-Shirt.
Lee and I became much more interested in their growing relationship
than in almost anything else, and I think we realised pretty
early on that we'd stumbled upon a terrific double-act in
the making. The T-Room scenes, for me, became the highlights.
We
were also stuck with a title we loathed: "Wonders In
Letterland". We were quietly pleased when, thanks to
a copyright infringement on somebody's part, the show was
subsequently renamed: "Troubles With T-Bag". This
wasn't perfect either, but at least it focused attention
on the central character rather than on the board game,
suggesting the possibility of further, newer adventures
in different settings. T-Bag would, from now on, feature
in the title of every one of the nine series and the four
Christmas specials (not to mention the book and the CD of
songs from the series. Okay, I lied about the CD).
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| Q. |
How
did the character of T-Bag develop from the very first idea
to when she finally appeared on screen? |
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First
thoughts were, perhaps predictably, of an old hag dressed
in a large white square sack. Finally, that seemed incredibly
dull, so we tried to forget how the character would look and
concentrated instead on her personality. The truth is that
T-Bag didn't really spring to life until we'd decided to partner
her with T-Shirt. Episode
One of Series One is the only show in which T-Shirt doesn't
appear: as a result, T-Bag comes across as a slightly off-the-shelf-ish
"wicked person" made individual more by Elizabeth
Estensen's flamboyant performance than by any particular
character delineations in the script. But as soon as we
arrive in the T-Room, in Episode Two, the fun starts. A
fractious mother-and-son relationship kicks in. The famous
headaches appear. The sparring and joshing and backbiting
begin. Soon we realised that we had created, almost by accident,
that strangest and most delicious of items: baddies who
we like even better than the goodies!
T-Shirt's
ambivalent role in the relationship became the key; T-Bag's
frustrated dependency on the boy to make her vital cuppas,
along with her ever-growing megalomania and stupidity, powered
the partnership for year after year. Today I'm amazed that
all of this was so firmly established right from Series
One, when Lee and I were still feeling our way as writers.
I
don't think Lee would disagree with me when I say that much
of the credit actually goes to Liz and John for so subtly
fleshing out their roles: time and again, on studio days,
I'd stand behind the cameras and wriggle my toes in delight
at the way they interpreted scenes which we obviously hoped
were amusing but which then came out hilarious. Where would
we have been without Liz and John? Answer: standing behind
the cameras filming a sofa.
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| Q. |
How
long did each series take to write? Did you collaborate on
every episode, or did you write some and Grant write others?
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| A. |
A
lot depended on the deadline. Usually it was pretty tight,
seldom allowing us more than a week in total per episode.
Often we wrote a script in two or three days, but that was
after the careful planning-out of each episode in advance.
I've just dug out my 1990 Desk Diary, so I can give you an
accurate snapshot of how a typical series
of T-Bag went. So
as you can see, the making of a series took about five months
from start to finish, with most of the writing happening
pretty intensely in the first half of that period. (And
just in case all of that wasn't head-mincing enough, Lee
and I were simultaneously conceiving and writing Series
Two of our other show, "SPATZ"!) So there you
have it. The Train Spotter's Guide To Series 7. Well, you
did ask!!
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| Q. |
Whilst
filming was taking place, did you have much say in the process,
delivery of lines, etc., or was this completely at the discretion
of the director and performers? Were you pleased with the
finished series? |
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After
the mad scramble to get Series One in the can, our situation
did improve steadily over the years as the show grew in popularity
and we became more confident. All the same, what with our
insatiable taste for the surreal and the bizarre, there were
constant battles to get our ideas onto the screen. Some of
these fights we won, others, well ... that's showbiz, kid!
A
well-known producer recently put it to me perfectly: "Us
producers (metaphorically speaking) always want our writers
to give us Mickey Mouse - nice, smiley, a bit bland, yet
universally (inexplicably!) popular. But writers keep giving
us Donald Duck! - all that angry quacking and storming about,
muttering under his beak! - treading on garden rakes and
knocking his face inside out! We would really rather they
gave us THE MOUSE!" It's a sentiment which explains
why so much television is the way it is.
One
of the hardest things to deal with when writing for the
screen is that, actually, there exist two versions of your
script: the one which explodes inside your head, full of
beautifully-timed comedy sequences, shot with pace and panache
on a multi-million dollar budget; the other version is the
one which turns up one day on the telly. Often the difference
between the two is astounding, the result disappointment.
Lee and I often bemoaned the way T-Bag always seemed a mere
shadow of what it could have been. And yet ...
The
years roll by, and the versions which once rattled around
in the addled nut have dissolved away. All that remains
is the show as it finally hit the airwaves. It's a lot easier
to be objective about it a decade on: any time I sneak a
look at T-Bag these days, I do find there's a massive amount
to enjoy; some of it I'm very proud of - usually scenes
and sequences where everything came together tremendously
well. Donald Duck moments. There's often some terrific comic
acting from our fantastically talented cast of guest performers
- mixed occasionally with turns so dud you're laughing even
harder for different reasons ... and I can absolutely see
why it ran for an incredible 94 episodes. So the answer
to your question: was I pleased with the finished series?
is: "Not exactly, but I am now!"
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| Q. |
Was
the series initially intended to be a trilogy? I am referring
to Debbie's line in "Bounces Back", when she states
that T-Bag is gone for good and won't "bother any of
us ever again". |
| A. |
No,
T-Bag wasn't conceived as a trilogy. Every series the audience
grew and grew, and the commissioning editor at ITV thought:
"cheap and extremely popular, excellent, have another
series lads!" and so it went on, for nine consecutive
years until everyone screamed "enough already!"
(although as Lee just reminded me, we actually planned a tenth
series which was never made).
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Why
did Elizabeth Estensen leave the series? Did she feel that
it was time for a change? Did you feel that it was time for
a change? Or was she written out so dramatically in "Revenge
of the T-Set" that it would have been impossible for
her to return? |
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We'd
have been delighted if Liz had stayed right through till the
end, but I guess everybody likes to move on after a while.
The stresses and strains of playing Her Majes-T for 50-odd
episodes must have been intense. Let's face it, Liz carried
most of the show. She was frequently leaping in and out of
absurd costumes, often being blown up and abused ... yet consummate
professional as she is, she'd always keep her energy levels
at maximum right through rehearsals and onto the studio floor.
So when series six got commissioned, without Tallulah! - it
was quite a shock. Controversy
rages amongst my family and friends: who was the best T-Bag?
Tallulah or Tabatha? Liz or Georgina? I don't think it's
possible to compare them. I love them both in very different
ways. Liz's Tallulah is full of nuance and subtlely; she's
petulant and vulnerable and pompous and a hundred other
wondrous things which go to make the character incredibly
human and endearing. It's a marvellous, sophisticated, funny
and intelligent performance. Georgina's Tabatha makes me
think of some hilariously insane cross between Harpo Marx
and a Dalek. A completely unique actress, Georgina Hale
brought unpredictability to the role - and to the series
- which in my opinion is a very rare thing. That full-on
bolshie bluster, the towering, rampaging stupidity, the
sheer high-flying fearlessness of it all ... Tabatha may
indeed be an acquired taste, but she is the T-Bag who makes
me laugh the loudest, the longest and the hardest. So in
the end, I'm incredibly glad that we ended up with two T-Bags.
And had there been a third? Intriguing! Casting suggestions
by e-mail, please ...
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| Q. |
If
Tabatha and Tallulah are sisters, then early life in the Bag
family must have been hell! Any thoughts about what it could
have been like? |
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It
doesn't bear thinking about, does it? Consider this: Denise
Coffey (Granny Bag) is the mother of Peggy Mount (Mumsy Bag),
despite (I believe) being several years younger than her.
It could only happen at Bag Towers.
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If
Tallulah or Tabatha were about today, what would they be doing
(apart from the obvious career choice for mad, power-crazed
individuals who think they rule the Universe - traffic wardens)?
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What
do you mean, if? Of course they're about! I heard a quiet
rumour that Tallulah is now working in the telephone sales
office at the Royal Albert Hall these days. She's given up
her quest for world domination, obviously, but keeps herself
entertained by deliberately sending out the wrong tickets
to confused and angry customers. This being power of a sort,
it amuses her greatly.Tabatha is temporarily employed by the
Civil Aviation Authority. She turns up at Prestwick Airport
six times a day, pulls a face and shouts at the seagulls to
clear them from the runway. It's not a great job but it keeps
her off the street
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Finally,
what projects do you have in the pipeline at the moment? |
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Most
recently, with co-writer Alex Bartlette: the BBC/DISNEY BAFTA-winning
show "Microsoap", a mainstream comedy pilot for
BBC2 called "Fiction", a Cleopatra sitcom for Carlton
TV "Queen Of The Nile", and a commissioned feature
film screenplay currenly doing the rounds in Hollywood. Which
suddenly gives me an idea: T-Bag The Movie! Whoopie Goldberg
as Tallulah, anyone ...? |
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