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Tales
From the T-Room
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Email Interview with Lee Pressman and Grant Cathro
Lee's
Response
Grant's Response
Well,
what can I say? What a nice pair of blokes! Approachable, good humoured,
and, above all, honest! I am so grateful to them both for being
so supportive of this, my humble T-Room, and I really value their
input.
I got in touch with Lee and Grant a few days ago now, because I
thought it would be really interesting to have an insight into the
process by which T-Bag was devised and produced. I expected nothing
like the kind of support I got from both of them. Both offered to
help with the T-Room in whatever way they possibly could and both
read the comments that you have left in the Guestbook and were very
touched by your response. I cannot begin to express my gratitude
to them both for taking the time to answer the questionnaire that
I sent to them.
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| Lee's
Responce |
| Q. |
Where
did the idea behind the T-Bag series come from? What was the
first spark of inspiration? |
| A. |
The
idea for the series started when the head of children's television
at Thames, Marjorie Sigley, decided that she wanted to make
a series of "educational" shows about words and letters
of the alphabet. The first of the shows was "Words words
words", a mishmash of cobbled together sketches, songs
and poems. I had been writing BBC's "Play Away" (a
far superior light entertainment fest), and Thames TV blatantly
asked me whether I had any unused stuff in my bottom drawer
that I could contribute to "Words" since they were
a tad short on material. Little did I know that many other writers
were being asked the very same question... and one of them was
Grant Cathro. And that's where we met.After that short-lived
series, Marjorie asked me to come up with an idea that would
feature letters of the alphabet this time. I pitched something
which I believe was called "Dotty in Dictionaria"
- a story about a young girl who travels across a board game
where every square features a different letter of the alphabet.
There were various suggestions for adventures such as "Revenge
of the Killer B" on the 'B' square, etc. and so on.When
I was given the go ahead to develop the series (at very short
notice), I contacted Grant and asked if he wanted to help write
it.
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| Q. |
How
did the character of T-Bag develop from the very first idea
to when she finally appeared on screen? |
| A. |
Right
from the very beginning there was always a character called
T-Bag living in the 'T' square. And before the birth of T-Shirt,
one early idea paired her up with a puppet called Alfie Bat.
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| Q. |
How
long did each series take to write? Did you collaborate on every
episode, or did you write some and Grant write others? |
| A. |
I
can't remember exactly how long each series took to write -
maybe six to ten weeks, not sure. Under pressure, we often had
to crank out two episodes per week. For the first six years,
I think we wrote all of the episodes together. After that, we
often planned out a whole series then maybe wrote six together
and two each separately. Towards the end, we were probably writing
two together and four each separately.
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| Q. |
Where
was T-Bag filmed? How were the sets arranged (i.e. were they
all constructed at once ready for filming, or was the series
filmed in sections, e.g. the T-Room scenes filmed together before
dismantling it for the next set to be constructed and filmed)?
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| A. |
Every
episode was filmed at Thames TV Studios at Teddington Lock,
mostly in the unbelievably tiny studio 3 (while next door they
were filming Benny Hill). Towards the end they started letting
us into the big boys studio. At the beginning, the rules were
very rigid. We were only allowed three sets per episode (and
one of them was the T-Room). So if we were doing say an Egyptian
story, we would have the outside of the pyramid, inside the
pyramid, and the T-Room scenes would always be recorded last.
That was in case we overran - then the following week, we would
be able to catch up the missing T-Room scenes at the end. By
then, of course, we could have moved on to a cowboy story, and
the pyramid set would have been scrapped already. Sometimes,
by the end of a run, the poor actors would be recording missed
T-Room scenes from half a dozen different shows.
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| Q. |
Whilst
filming was taking place, did you have much say in the process,
delivery of lines, etc., or was this completely at the discretion
of the director and performers? Were you pleased with the finished
series? |
| A. |
Alas
Grant and I were young and without much clout. We didn't really
hit it off with the original director, and, and without any
consultation, many changes were crudely made to our scripts
during the early series. Ultimately we were more often or not
disappointed with the results because most people working on
the show knew how much better it could have been.
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| Q. |
Was
the series initially intended to be a trilogy? I am referring
to Debbie's line in "Bounces Back", when she states
that T-Bag is gone for good and won't "bother any of us
ever again". |
| A. |
Nobody
knew how long the show would last at the beginning. Because
the ratings were so phenomenal, it just kept getting recommissioned.
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| Q. |
Why
did Elizabeth Estensen leave the series? Did she feel that it
was time for a change? Did you feel that it was time for a change?
Or was she written out so dramatically in "Revenge of the
T-Set" that it would have been impossible for her to return?
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| A. |
Liz
Estensen was, and still is the most wonderful actress (see how
we used her again as Daphne Fawkes-Bentley in Mike & Angelo).
We loved working with her and never wanted her to go. But the
working environment became so troubled and uncomfortable that
after five years she chose to leave.
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| Q. |
If
Tallulah or Tabatha were about today, what would they be doing
(apart from the obvious career choice for mad, power-crazed
individuals who think they rule the Universe - traffic wardens)?
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| A. |
Interesting
that you should ask me this. In front of me I have an outline
entitled "T-Bag (the series that was never made)".
It gives an indication of what might have been:
It's
finally happened; T-Shirt has broken free from the evil clutches
of T-Bag. Now he's leading a normal life as a teenager in
a small suburban town, and he's got a nice little earner on
the go - "Tommy's" - a teashop-cum-cafe. It's a
guaranteed money spinner for T-Shirt, the best tea maker in
the land.
The
place is such a success that T-Shirt advertises for staff.
Enter a straggly old bag lady pushing a supermarket trolley
seeking work.
It's
some time before he recognises her. Can this sad, pathetic
creature really be T-Bag, the one-time omnipowerful high priestess
of the T-Set? It's true. Down on her uppers, T-Bag sees the
fateful encounter as her one last chance to seize her former
glory. T-Shirt alone knows the teamaking secrets that can
restore her magical powers. So it is that she worms her way
into T-Shirt's employ and in no time at all, has him wrapped
around her little finger.
Her
megalomania knows no bounds. She forces T-Shirt to build her
a time machine so that she can seek out a batch of the now
extinct magical tealeaves. But the best laid plans...
In
search of her goal, T-Bag launches the whole of "Tommy's"
into space. No longer doomed to the provincial back-waters,
the cafe-cum-spaceship whisks the duo off, destined for a
weird and wonderful journey through history. This wild ten
part adventure story features the return of Liz Estensen who
created the role of T-Bag so successfully in the first five
series.
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| Q. |
Finally,
what projects do you have in the pipeline at the moment? |
| A. |
Not
a lot, actually. I helped to create the series "STARStreet"
and I'm writing a few more episodes of that. The series I'd
had great hopes for, "Polterguests", failed to get
recommissioned after just eight episodes. Last year, I sold
two options for new shows - the first is called "Marooned"
and the second "The Wild Side". I don't know if they'd
ever get made. My favourite non-commissioned series of mine
is an X-Files type kids show called "Weird Stuff".
I was asked by Carlton to write the first episode - "Night
of the Living Hair", but so far it hasn't been taken up. |
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| Grant's
Responce |
| Q. |
Where
did the idea behind the T-Bag series come from? What was the
first spark of inspiration? |
| A. |
Lee
and I first met in a South London rehearsal room, where five
frantic grinning actors were hurriedly trying to learn their
parts in comedy sketches which Lee and I had been commissioned
to write independently. The show was called "Words, Words,
Words" (or as it became affectionately known, "Worst,
Worst, Worst"), the brainchild of Marjorie Sigley, Head
of Children's Programmes at Thames TV. She was trying to disguise
education-based material as pure light entertainment, which
seemed quite an interesting challenge. Other writers were involved
too, but somehow Lee and I became the main contributors and
so we began seeing a lot of each other's work at the following
readthroughs. I thought Lee's stuff was annoyingly good, and
he thought my stuff was irritatingly splendid, so when Lee was
later given the go-ahead to develop a comedy-drama which shared
similar aspirations to the one-off "Words" series,
he rang and asked if I would like to collaborate. Up until this
time I had trained and worked mostly as an actor (Glasgow Citizens
Theatre, Lyric Hammersmith, Royal Shakespeare Company) but because
I also loved writing (and had a tax bill to pay) I immediately
said "certainly".
It
was Lee's idea to set the drama inside an alphabet-based board
game; each letter would suggest a character and a story ...
for instance, T-Bag would be the main character on the T-Square.
A little girl would become the main protagonist who must work
her way round the board, overcoming obstacles of every sort
but finally winning the game and emerging triumphant.
Our
very first pass at the idea was incredibly grandiose, involving
all sorts of impossible special effects and fantastic landscapes.
Draft One was greeted with a resounding scowl, and a new objective
was added to the original remit: keep it cheap, lads. So,
thinking inexpensive, Lee and I began again. And again. And
again. By now, the pressure of time was impacting on everyone,
so the hard-pressed director made it plain to us exactly what
he reckoned he could and couldn't achieve, given the time
and the budget, and pretty much dictated half of Episode One
to us! Overnight we had gone from being screenwriters to shorthand
typists! As relative newcomers to television, we had no real
say at this stage, and we found our (admittedly over-enthusiastic)
efforts on Series One to be massively and disappointingly
diminished.
There
was one mad final rewrite at an even later stage when one
of the producers had the idea of peppering the character dialogue
with alliterations appropriate to the "square" on
which they appeared. Cue: several singularly unsayable sentences.
We were never at home with this, finding it stultifying, strained
and stonking-well stilted. Still, there were things about
Series One which worked really well. We were especially heartened
by the rapport which quickly developed between Elizabeth Estensen
and John Hasler as T-Bag and T-Shirt. Lee and I became much
more interested in their growing relationship than in almost
anything else, and I think we realised pretty early on that
we'd stumbled upon a terrific double-act in the making. The
T-Room scenes, for me, became the highlights.
We
were also stuck with a title we loathed: "Wonders In
Letterland". We were quietly pleased when, thanks to
a copyright infringement on somebody's part, the show was
subsequently renamed: "Troubles With T-Bag". This
wasn't perfect either, but at least it focused attention on
the central character rather than on the board game, suggesting
the possibility of further, newer adventures in different
settings. T-Bag would, from now on, feature in the title of
every one of the nine series and the four Christmas specials
(not to mention the book and the CD of songs from the series.
Okay, I lied about the CD).
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| Q. |
How
did the character of T-Bag develop from the very first idea
to when she finally appeared on screen? |
| A. |
First
thoughts were, perhaps predictably, of an old hag dressed in
a large white square sack. Finally, that seemed incredibly dull,
so we tried to forget how the character would look and concentrated
instead on her personality. The truth is that T-Bag didn't really
spring to life until we'd decided to partner her with T-Shirt.
Episode
One of Series One is the only show in which T-Shirt doesn't
appear: as a result, T-Bag comes across as a slightly off-the-shelf-ish
"wicked person" made individual more by Elizabeth
Estensen's flamboyant performance than by any particular character
delineations in the script. But as soon as we arrive in the
T-Room, in Episode Two, the fun starts. A fractious mother-and-son
relationship kicks in. The famous headaches appear. The sparring
and joshing and backbiting begin. Soon we realised that we
had created, almost by accident, that strangest and most delicious
of items: baddies who we like even better than the goodies!
T-Shirt's
ambivalent role in the relationship became the key; T-Bag's
frustrated dependency on the boy to make her vital cuppas,
along with her ever-growing megalomania and stupidity, powered
the partnership for year after year. Today I'm amazed that
all of this was so firmly established right from Series One,
when Lee and I were still feeling our way as writers.
I
don't think Lee would disagree with me when I say that much
of the credit actually goes to Liz and John for so subtly
fleshing out their roles: time and again, on studio days,
I'd stand behind the cameras and wriggle my toes in delight
at the way they interpreted scenes which we obviously hoped
were amusing but which then came out hilarious. Where would
we have been without Liz and John? Answer: standing behind
the cameras filming a sofa.
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| Q. |
How
long did each series take to write? Did you collaborate on every
episode, or did you write some and Grant write others? |
| A. |
A
lot depended on the deadline. Usually it was pretty tight, seldom
allowing us more than a week in total per episode. Often we
wrote a script in two or three days, but that was after the
careful planning-out of each episode in advance. I've just dug
out my 1990 Desk Diary, so I can give you an accurate
snapshot of how a typical series of T-Bag went.
So
as you can see, the making of a series took about five months
from start to finish, with most of the writing happening pretty
intensely in the first half of that period. (And just in case
all of that wasn't head-mincing enough, Lee and I were simultaneously
conceiving and writing Series Two of our other show, "SPATZ"!)
So there you have it. The Train Spotter's Guide To Series
7. Well, you did ask!!
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| Q. |
Whilst
filming was taking place, did you have much say in the process,
delivery of lines, etc., or was this completely at the discretion
of the director and performers? Were you pleased with the finished
series? |
| A. |
After
the mad scramble to get Series One in the can, our situation
did improve steadily over the years as the show grew in popularity
and we became more confident. All the same, what with our insatiable
taste for the surreal and the bizarre, there were constant battles
to get our ideas onto the screen. Some of these fights we won,
others, well ... that's showbiz, kid!
A
well-known producer recently put it to me perfectly: "Us
producers (metaphorically speaking) always want our writers
to give us Mickey Mouse - nice, smiley, a bit bland, yet universally
(inexplicably!) popular. But writers keep giving us Donald
Duck! - all that angry quacking and storming about, muttering
under his beak! - treading on garden rakes and knocking his
face inside out! We would really rather they gave us THE MOUSE!"
It's a sentiment which explains why so much television is
the way it is.
One
of the hardest things to deal with when writing for the screen
is that, actually, there exist two versions of your script:
the one which explodes inside your head, full of beautifully-timed
comedy sequences, shot with pace and panache on a multi-million
dollar budget; the other version is the one which turns up
one day on the telly. Often the difference between the two
is astounding, the result disappointment. Lee and I often
bemoaned the way T-Bag always seemed a mere shadow of what
it could have been. And yet ...
The
years roll by, and the versions which once rattled around
in the addled nut have dissolved away. All that remains is
the show as it finally hit the airwaves. It's a lot easier
to be objective about it a decade on: any time I sneak a look
at T-Bag these days, I do find there's a massive amount to
enjoy; some of it I'm very proud of - usually scenes and sequences
where everything came together tremendously well. Donald Duck
moments. There's often some terrific comic acting from our
fantastically talented cast of guest performers - mixed occasionally
with turns so dud you're laughing even harder for different
reasons ... and I can absolutely see why it ran for an incredible
94 episodes. So the answer to your question: was I pleased
with the finished series? is: "Not exactly, but I am
now!"
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| Q. |
Was
the series initially intended to be a trilogy? I am referring
to Debbie's line in "Bounces Back", when she states
that T-Bag is gone for good and won't "bother any of us
ever again". |
| A. |
No,
T-Bag wasn't conceived as a trilogy. Every series the audience
grew and grew, and the commissioning editor at ITV thought:
"cheap and extremely popular, excellent, have another series
lads!" and so it went on, for nine consecutive years until
everyone screamed "enough already!" (although as Lee
just reminded me, we actually planned a tenth series which was
never made).
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| Q. |
Why
did Elizabeth Estensen leave the series? Did she feel that it
was time for a change? Did you feel that it was time for a change?
Or was she written out so dramatically in "Revenge of the
T-Set" that it would have been impossible for her to return?
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| A. |
We'd
have been delighted if Liz had stayed right through till the
end, but I guess everybody likes to move on after a while. The
stresses and strains of playing Her Majes-T for 50-odd episodes
must have been intense. Let's face it, Liz carried most of the
show. She was frequently leaping in and out of absurd costumes,
often being blown up and abused ... yet consummate professional
as she is, she'd always keep her energy levels at maximum right
through rehearsals and onto the studio floor. So when series
six got commissioned, without Tallulah! - it was quite a shock.
Controversy
rages amongst my family and friends: who was the best T-Bag?
Tallulah or Tabatha? Liz or Georgina? I don't think it's possible
to compare them. I love them both in very different ways.
Liz's Tallulah is full of nuance and subtlely; she's petulant
and vulnerable and pompous and a hundred other wondrous things
which go to make the character incredibly human and endearing.
It's a marvellous, sophisticated, funny and intelligent performance.
Georgina's Tabatha makes me think of some hilariously insane
cross between Harpo Marx and a Dalek. A completely unique
actress, Georgina Hale brought unpredictability to the role
- and to the series - which in my opinion is a very rare thing.
That full-on bolshie bluster, the towering, rampaging stupidity,
the sheer high-flying fearlessness of it all ... Tabatha may
indeed be an acquired taste, but she is the T-Bag who makes
me laugh the loudest, the longest and the hardest. So in the
end, I'm incredibly glad that we ended up with two T-Bags.
And had there been a third? Intriguing! Casting suggestions
by e-mail, please ...
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| Q. |
If
Tabatha and Tallulah are sisters, then early life in the Bag
family must have been hell! Any thoughts about what it could
have been like? |
| A. |
It
doesn't bear thinking about, does it? Consider this: Denise
Coffey (Granny Bag) is the mother of Peggy Mount (Mumsy Bag),
despite (I believe) being several years younger than her. It
could only happen at Bag Towers.
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| Q. |
If
Tallulah or Tabatha were about today, what would they be doing
(apart from the obvious career choice for mad, power-crazed
individuals who think they rule the Universe - traffic wardens)?
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| A. |
What
do you mean, if? Of course they're about! I heard a quiet rumour
that Tallulah is now working in the telephone sales office at
the Royal Albert Hall these days. She's given up her quest for
world domination, obviously, but keeps herself entertained by
deliberately sending out the wrong tickets to confused and angry
customers. This being power of a sort, it amuses her greatly.Tabatha
is temporarily employed by the Civil Aviation Authority. She
turns up at Prestwick Airport six times a day, pulls a face
and shouts at the seagulls to clear them from the runway. It's
not a great job but it keeps her off the street
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| Q. |
Finally,
what projects do you have in the pipeline at the moment? |
| A. |
Most recently, with co-writer
Alex Bartlette: the BBC/DISNEY BAFTA-winning show "Microsoap",
a mainstream comedy pilot for BBC2 called "Fiction",
a Cleopatra sitcom for Carlton TV "Queen Of The Nile",
and a commissioned feature film screenplay currenly doing the
rounds in Hollywood. Which suddenly gives me an idea: T-Bag
The Movie! Whoopie Goldberg as Tallulah, anyone ...? |
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